I think that non-eyesore version of the list has some incorrect numbers. Allow me to put even more thought into a tier list: I would change the tier numbers to cute little emoji's but otherwise seems good. It doesnt mean I'm good, I personally suck, but I still enjoy them. the mid tier i play, mewtwo, is the most difficult mid tier to play also" and now that he plays sheik he thinks sheik is cooler and harder than falcon lmaooo By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. In all seriousness, Bowser is miles worse than any other character. I'd move fox up a tier but otherwise seems good. It's not like he suddenly decided that mewtwo was harder to play AFTER he picked him up, there's a good chance it's the reason he picked him up in the first place. Spread. I took into consideration as much as I possibly could of what Leffen said throughout the Tier List making. Press J to jump to the feed. people falling out of upsmash all day long. pretty fair list imo my only points of contention are also the characters at the top or bottom of a tier which he also points out, leffen: "i play fox, the hardest character in the game. typical mewtwo main putting fox above mewtwo. One example of that edge in my opinion is represented by planking. Additionally, the "develop and execute game plan"I see as "adaptation", and I feel like the other top tiers have less of an edge on puff on this as well. leffen: "i play fox, the hardest character in the game. ... Melee mewtwo moveset design is absolutely horrible imo. Was thinking the exact same thing. And G&W should at least be A rank right??? Spread and Development" would correlate with each other, how they translate and how consistent they are to the current meta. What do you think? There's no tier list that perfectly fits every player so it's better to just give characters a broad classification that'll fit for 90% of players. Disclaimer: I got the idea from somewhere on the internet and I don't remember where. A competitive Melee focused extension of the reddit Super Smash Brothers community. Here's what I got: tbf in his last tier list when he gave numbers for difficulty to play he said falcon was easier than sheik. Mewtwo isn't even considered mid-tier by most of the community. He was already saying that sheik was cooler and harder than falcon before playing her. just saying. Spread. I wanted to test how these values of "Difficulty to Use, Hard to Play Versus, M.U. A competitive Melee focused extension of the reddit Super Smash Brothers community. I partly agree, BUT across the entire melee roaster, although they are in different tiers, difference between Falcon and Sheik's values (0.3) are not as big as Falcon and Puff's (0.6). Well, while there is A LOT of mental strength, and a lot of out-of-game aspects that can affect your play at the top level, on a execution level I do feel like Puff, among the top tiers, really does have a greater M.U. I'm a shitter and I like high execution character in the games I play. (note: I know these names are not good, nor do I think this is even a valid thing to do, but looking at the data of the tier list, some things that - in my opinion - are true in the current meta really did appear), This is the Tier List: https://imgur.com/a/bIHOrkZ, If we take these values, and establish tiers we get: https://imgur.com/a/oQwpMMM. Spread/Development, which was called Character Potential Based on M.U. Sheik is absolutely harder to play than Falcon, Sheik is basically forced to reaction techchase to get any sort of damage on her grabs while Falcon can just close his eyes and oongaboonga stomp or knee and the opponent dies 1/3 times, Sheik being cooler and harder than falcon is a pretty reasonable take assuming you're talking about top level play. He also overrated mewtwo a fair bit compared to the community tier list so idk what your point is? He proceeded to modify his tier list shortly after, to reflect the meta more accurately: https://twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/971512562457202688, Man, after all this Hax$/Hbox nonsense, it's good to see some top players taking these tier lists seriously. The Summit 9 Swag Bracket sucked: swag stalling is broken, low tiers are buffed even though they are actually boring af, people's DI is too good and most of all, it turns out that swaggy risky strats are not actually that cool if there's no penalty for losing. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I wanted to test how these values of "Difficulty to Use, Hard to Play Versus, M.U. This one I just thought it was a fun one to do and see if it is consistent with what other people think: M.U. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If you like playing character that are high execuction/hard, why would it be weird to say" the character I play are hard to play" ?? A competitive Melee focused extension of the reddit Super Smash Brothers community. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I know a lot of people will disagree with this list, but I appreciate Leffen taking the time to walk through his reasoning in a ~50 minute video. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. spread with the lowest technical requirement. I thought she was Doc since I didn’t see him and I didn’t know the m2k joke was an actual character and not just text, I can’t help but laugh at the fact that it looks so much like a shitpost, dk over ganon is weird but he picked the right marth image so i’ll let it slide, DK's combo game is ridiculously strong against pretty much the whole cast. Although not inherently a puff specific trait, she's the one that can force that in order to force a change in the pace of a match. Spread, which I called Technical Requirement to Increase M.U. Legitimately didn't make the Android 21 Mewtwo connection, and legit thought he just added her into low tier cause he thinks she's shit. Press J to jump to the feed. At the same time, on the other side of the spectrum we have fox, which, although he CAN develop and change the pace of a match as well, it is incredibly more technically demanding. I saw someone on this thread talking about how falcon's technical requirement is not lower than sheik.